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@@pauldoyle8986 Like I said in the video just use the 3.5 output to auxiliary. I have no clue what deck you have or it’s voltage it will except just be careful on the volume on the M17 as you don’t want to fry the auxiliary input.

@@CarAudioHorizons thanks for your help!

You need a helix dsp now 😆

@@vonelli241 I have a hard time thinking you did any research since you clearly didn’t watch this video so what does that say about you and your research. There were lots of reported issues with this DAP besides the issues I had with two of them. Depending on your iPhone some iPhone’s didn’t work when using the M23 as a USB DAC. Fiio connect App didn’t connect most of the time. Buy it and find out for yourself if you get a lemon 🍋 or not. I would take the old regular M11 over this in a heartbeat. There were very few video reviews of the M23 and those ones Fiio gave them the DAP. Do you think those people are going to say anything bad about it and risk never getting sent another Fiio product. 🤔

@CarAudioHorizons You can have a hard time all you like, no skin off my nose. how you have interpreted my words is a reflection of your own thoughts not mine. I have the M23. And it works flawlessly. Never had any stoppages. FiiO didn't pay me to say this. I've never even spoken to a person who works for FiiO, that's for my colleagues. My views are all my own. I have watched your whole video. Your unit appears defective. This happens with technology sometimes. I'm own a music shop. We have loads of DAPs. We have many Fiio M23's so tomorrow I will try 2 more M23's to see if they have the issue you are reporting. I don't need to research what others are saying about this DAP when I have literally have a shop full of DAPs to try myself. Astell, FiiO, iBasso, Shanling We have them all. I don't use IPhone, I think Apple is a hot piece of garbage. I'm an Android man. Every iPhone I've had in the past gave connection issues. Since Steve Jobs died, Apple have died with him.

@@vonelli241 I can tell you’re a liar as you would have mentioned that in your first comment and I also know you didn’t watch the video because I mentioned it was my second Fiio M23 not my first. Not sure who you’re trying to impress but lying isn’t going to impress anyone. I also show the issues in my review of the FiiO M23. This video was a first look not the review.

@@vonelli241 I will also add that oil know for a fact you’re a liar because no shop is going to open a new FiiO 23 as they will lose profit as then they would have to sell it as a demo and if you had one already you most definitely won’t be opening another one 😆

This wasn’t a review as I did the review on this product a while back. It was just saying it’s a great budget friendly option for those that want to use their phones to go digitally to their DSP’s and then more rambling about DAP’s and car audio 😆

@@CarAudioHorizons Hi Dave, yes it was like a nice review for me with suggestions brilliantly made and your statement about DAPS is absolutely correct as I have been thinking the same thing about the quality, it's a shame Fiio have lowered their standard but hopefully their next DAP might be a better one one. I appreciate all your videos my friend.😄

I will buy the M27 when it comes out if there are some upgrades from the M17

Dave! I really hope they will wake up with a new lesson in mind and upgrade the M27 to stand up to their opponents.

@@MrAlberto356 You asked the same question on my other video. If you have an alpine head unit it would be pointless using a topping DX1 into it as they’re probably equivalent SQ wise. If you’re going to use a DAC/AMP DAC/DAP it needs to be better than your head unit

@satyavratadas1640 The SMSL PO 100 Pro uses the latest XMOS 3rd generation USB solution XU316 where as the Topping D10S or D10B uses XMOS XU208. That being said you can’t go wrong with either. Sound wise in my vehicle it’s close but I slightly prefer the SMSL but I would buy both and keep the one that has the least amount of connection issues. I haven’t used the Topping since I did the review so it’s been quite some time.

What about it?

If you can use a PAC Amp Pro or something similar I would use that so that you get the best sound quality possible. Cutting wires should always be the last option if there is no interface for your vehicle. Also every vehicle is different so there is no one solution.

@@CarAudioHorizons thanks got it

@@vvc_21 Idata maestro is coming out with a combination of their AR/RR probably in the next 3-6 months for certain vehicles which should be decent as it has optical input and output

I would save your money and get the Helix DSP.3S as it has coaxial digital input and optical input whereas the mini only has optical input. It’s worth saving for so then in the future you have more options if you want to add things to your system. The worst thing you can do is buy something that isn’t 100% what you want. Trust me people do this all the time especially in car audio and end up losing a lot of money.

@@CarAudioHorizons Nice!! The problem is that in my country we actually have few options for a reasonable price as people here love to hear terrible music and spend as less as possible. When we go for some nice equip, the prices are ultra high and we have few options. We dont even have the Helix DSP3s here unless we import it and I have to dig for some old stock nice dsp some seller couldn't sell yet. Another option would be a chinese sennuopu. Very cheap and some russians tested it with good results. Do you have any experience with this brand? I know its not a traditional or fancy brand, but it seems to use some nice chips and capacitors and etc some good brands also use. The software seems to be simple and straightforward with no bugs. What do you think about the DP-X812, for example? Thanks, bro!

@@jeandippolito9880 Helix still has the best DSP’s so if you’re asking me I’m always going to suggest Helix or Brax for a DSP. That being said the most important part of car audio is the installation and tune.

This was an old list that I since deleted as I ended up getting Apple music for free for 6 months. I will do another one pretty soon.

Ok. Cool.

Direct to what radio? Factory aftermarket? Does it have a 3.5mm input?

@@CarAudioHorizons yes sir. My radio is a single din. ALPINE 173ebt ( aftermarket radio)

@@MrAlberto356 buying the Fiio K3 would be pointless in your situation. If you’re unhappy with the sound quality you have make sure the installation and tune is as good as it can get. Once that’s accomplished and you’re still not satisfied then you have to replace whatever the weak link is in your system is.

@@CarAudioHorizons thank you sir for your input. Same goes if i use a topping dx1 right? From phone to topping to headunit to dsp (my dsp dont have a digioitput or coax built in) ground zero 4-8x So my best thing to do is buy a dap to increase sq (straight to aux of headunit)?

@@MrAlberto356 Does your DSP have auxiliary input?

i use ground zero 4-8x

Not all digital outs are created the same as I have tested them in past and for the most part you get what you pay for. The Toping D10S and SMSL PO100 Pro are the best two I have tested for car audio if you’re going optical or coaxial digital into a DSP. Also there is no point going to a DAC if you’re going coaxial or optical out unless that DAC is far superior to the one in the DSP.

Most people just leave it on, then you don’t have to worry about it

If you could put these in kicks or somewhere other than the doors they would sound perfect. Unfortunately that is very difficult to do with most vehicles.

@@CarAudioHorizons I’m gonna do some more sound deadening in some more areas more like target and probably with the dsp I’m gonna bring the mid base down a bit. But man those speakers are the real deal. The sound quality when combined with the gb25 and gb15 is crazy

yes it does1 and 2

@@endrizo I'd also asked the question of Aoshida Audio, the seller of SMSL, and they've just responded that it doesn't support UCA1. Instead, they recommended SMSL DO200 Pro which has UCA1 support for consoles. Although, it's only a dac and there isn't much review of it yet on UA-cam to get a comparative idea of how it sounds.

I didn’t move on from it.

Yes, I would wait and see what else comes out this year for DAP’s.

I think most of the advertising was done on DYI Mobile Audio website until Nick and Andy got into it 😆 For their price especially in Canada you can’t really beat them. I have pounded on mine for the last three years and have had zero issues. I like the Flax 6.5 but didn’t like their tweeters. You have so many options with the Ram as they have a lot of nice A pillars you can get and sub boxes.

Yes, I was expecting things to get better but they stick to the same old same old. 720p screen, 4GB Ram, Android 10 etc..

The main thing will be the install and tune. I would recommend an ipad or iPhone and the SMSL PO100 Pro as from what I have heard out of the $1,000-$1,500 DAP’s they just don’t sound as good as that combo from what I have heard so far. People shouldn’t have to buy the flagship DAP’s to get great sound. I’ll buy the Fiio M27 when it comes out and if it isn’t up to par I think I will be done with Fiio.

Does sq take a hit with an android?

I ordered mids&highs aluminum pods from valicar stuttgart as i didnt want to spend the $ on custom sails. Do you have any input on those?

@@89vainius I believe with Android 14 as long as the OEM’s support it, it is bit perfect now.

@@89vainius I don’t like pods look wise, I’m sure they sound fine. I think that’s more of the East thing as I see a lot of their vehicles have pods. I think they look ugly and I would never put them in my vehicle. Same thing with those other speaker pods I see different UA-cam channels promoting. I think they look god awful and you see the screws. I think they make your vehicle look cheap.

Yes, I have many different cables and I had the same issue on everything. The weird thing as it would be good for days and then start doing the start stopping of music tracks, or just not play at all. I returned both of them.

It all depends on if the ones I got were from a bad batch as I only seen one reviewer that did an online review that mentioned it.

I will have to check out the Aune player as I have seen some of their products on Amazon. The FiiO M23 could have been a really good dsp if it had a wider stage, and did the separation better as well as the mid bass and bass, but FiiO seems to be all over the place with it’s sound signatures in the last few years. I will get the M27 when it comes out and hopefully it will be better than the M17. Will see….

Hi Dave, unfortunately Aune does not have an official website and you can also check out Goldhorn's products DSPs and media players, these are also few that are sold as they are extremely expensive.. I hope the next Fiio M27 will be better in its natural elevated state.

@@high16200 I have never heard of that brand before, I will check it out.

@@CarAudioHorizonsAs I have heard, both brands come from the same manufacturer. Goldhorn has a bunch of media players and standalone DSPs cost up to $10,000. We only have one vehicle equipped with their most expensive DSP.

@@high16200 $10,000 that’s more expensive than the Brax DSP 😆

If done right it could sound decent, but finding the right person to tune it would be the difficult part. I have a Center channel and was going to put a gb25 and GB10 in there but I haven’t heard anyone’s vehicle that has a Center channel yet. So I’ll wait until Chris or Larry do a vehicle with a Center channel and then see if I can listen to it.

The Astell and Kern SR35 screen is pretty small but it’s a decent sounding DAP but I would wait and see what else comes out this year.

@@CarAudioHorizons Thank you for the prompt reply. Will wait and follow your amazing channel for more updates

Interesting, I never had the M11 pro, just the regular M11 and the only issues I had with that was with the Dual SIM and the fact you couldn’t use Apple Music because of the Samsung chip they were using at the time.

You should let Fiio know, the earlier versionof WiiM has spdif output/digital out issue as well until they released a software patch to fix it.

Fiio has had many issues with most of it’s products over the years. Some never get fixed. Their Fiio control app is a good example as half the time you can’t connect and then when you do connect it tends to disconnect. All of their devices have had issues with going from 16 bit to hi res tracks when going from one track to the next. These are just two examples of Fiio product issues.

The benefit is for people that would rather use their phone but have the benefit of the FiiO DAC’s I figured this was pretty straightforward.

The best thing you could do is go to one midbass woofer and put them in kicks or in IB configuration. Having mid bass in the doors is the worse place for them, so if you have the room put them in the kicks, or underneath the seats would be the next best thing. I’m looking into this as well in my own personal vehicle. I’m not into multiple speakers like four midbass, or four mids, or tweets as I feel most vehicles that do that never sound good. I’m more of an SQ guy but I like to listen to my music at higher volumes. The Hertz ML280’s are good tweeters and I feel the best out of their three way system. If you have a three way system the most important speaker is the mid, so that’s where you should spend most of your money as long as the install is in a proper place like an A pillar and or sail panel and it’s installed correctly and tuned correctly then it will sound good. The instal and tune are the most important and then the brand. I wouldn’t buy anything until you max out what you have now. I’m not adding mids in my vehicle until I get my GB60’s out of the doors and into a proper inclosure where there is no resonance and rattles. If I can do that then I will add mids to the A pillars or my sail panels.

@@CarAudioHorizons I have one more query, maybe that could help save me some money and help understand better, I found tweeters max not go beyond 28khz and understand normal hearing range of a human is 20-20k Hz, should I switch from a high res low amp which has 10-48Khz bandwidth to 10-22Khz bandwidth amplifier , i can save some money here and utilize it in putting A pillar setup and something else in car audio. For reference I am doing this setup in Ford Ecoposport which is shorter than 4 meters.

@@gyanendrashukla5680 Is your Audison the 14 channel DSP/Amp?

Hi Dean, The DSP AMP is 8 channel amplified output at 65watt RMS and 14 channels for amplifier. It is rated as Hi Res, but do i really need it, there is another model of Audison which is 8.9 but has more power 85watt rms and is not labeled as hi res. Shall is witch back to lower version as it will save me some money.

I am yet to hear any of the audiofrog products, for front way active build shall i choose gb 60 instead of 1800.3 mille, i heard 1650.3 and found 1800.3 having more punchy bass in stock location, also in my region 1800.3 is costing me around 300 dollars lesser than gb60, would it be wise spending that money for gb60.

What’s wrong with the Q15?

@@CarAudioHorizons PEQ (one of the main selling features of this device) doesn't work properly. People on headfi keep complaining, fiio keeps saying it's working on that.

Read my pinned comment. Also I will have the Review out shortly.

If you have a DSP then your phone with an SMSL PO100 Pro works excellent

This wasn’t a review just an initial first look and it seems like it has corrected itself as yesterday I have had zero issues other than the usual lag. Will see how it goes in the next few days now that I can listen to it properly.

Mine just all of a sudden started working properly yesterday other than the software lag everything seems to be fine.

It can but I’m not sure why you would ever want to.

@@CarAudioHorizons ok thanks and why not I play music videos in my car on my car stereo and on my TV

@@jesseedgell8698 Because the quality is bad

@@CarAudioHorizons what do mean because the quality is bad it sounds like all the fiio players are a waste of money thay charge 6 arms and 2 legs for them and thay are are crap and then thay discontinue them. Well I won't be buying one at all then and I'll be putting the word out to all my family friends and others

@@jesseedgell8698 Audio tracks are going to be better than a video track with regards to music. It has nothing to do with the player. Unless you were talking SACD or DVD Audio then those will be good.

Do not buy the AK version, the PO100 Pro is the best version. I have an iPhone 13 Pro Max so I use the Apple Camera Kit like I show in the review

The original M11 was good other than you couldn’t use two micro sd cards and you couldn’t use Apple Music with it as it had the Samsung chip which was incompatible with Apple Music

I had that a few times and then it finally let me log into my Apple Music account.

Yes, it work well on the M17 and now you can just use usb type c for it sometimes 😆 I’m sure they will have a firmware update soon. I’m finding their sound signatures to be all over the place since the original M11 which I thought was their best DAP for the money they have ever brought out. FiiO seems to be using a lot of the same old tech from past DAP’s as well instead of progressing which has been extremely annoying

The dude needs to update it!

@@justinmerrill3548 Dude needs to update what? Are you confused 🫤

@@justinmerrill3548 I take it you didn’t watch the video as that’s the first thing he said. Another D:-;M A/:::ss

This wasn’t a review, it was just to inform people to not buy it until Fiio has a proper firmware update. The review will becoming more than likely this weekend. I download all my music and for streaming music services I always listen to them offline with the exception of the WiiM Mini which I streamed the music. I actually prefer Apple Music over everything as I feel it has less issues that the other Hi Res Music companies. I liked Tidal for a while but had many issues with it deleting my playlists.

Hello my friend I hope all is well. Yes, this device needs a firmware update as it’s been a pain to do a review for.

Yes! thanks Dave, we are fine and enjoying the sunny days as much as possible. I hope Fiio fixes this or no one will buy this product. Glad to see you my friend.

This depends on what amp you get as you will have to set the amp gains, and the DSP levels as well as a new tune on the sub more than likely. So if you can’t do that then best to go back to the pro.

@@CarAudioHorizons Dave, the amp would be the mono amp from Helix called M One X.

@@uos64 Well I hope that amp matches up with the specs of your subwoofer as it looks like it can do up to 1,030 at 1 ohm.

I personally like the original M11 and the M17, although the M17 took a while for me to warm up to its sound signature. Ever since the M11s I’m not sure what Fiio is doing. It’s unfortunate that a lot of the other companies don’t offer a proper coaxial digital out like a full size one that’s on the M17. This is what most car audio guys are going to use and Fiio is one of the few that offer it but no longer include the adapter and since they don’t include the adapter the sound quality I find has been inferior

Yes, I never understood these reviewers saying it’s adequate. That definitely doesn’t help move things forward.